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that passed between them on a regular basis. Usually rather subtle,
but there was heat, or at least real warmth! Now THAT could've made Gibbs break his own Rule 12. Tony and Kate talk too much so I don't think something was ment to happen-too much talking,no action, although the writers like playing with this aspect of the show.
The last ,but not the least-don't you remember that DPB tried to diffuse the spark between them- he added the mysterious red head to prevent the tension between Kate and Gibbs-if all that's not an Unresolved Sexual Tension ,then you don't have a clue what Unresolved Sexual Tension is.:)
He had hots for her-she did't loved him the way he loved her.Kate liked him,but more like a brother than a potential lover.Kate was never serious with Tonyand her comments to him could be quite hurtful. Kate -in some small way- was still living up to the childhood conditioning shed received which trained her to believe that the strongest contestant made war - not love.
Gibbs+Kate=HOT
And Kibbs (like the person not the...uhh relationship?) all your examples are great, but if you really think about how that would work? It just...wouldn't.
Technically none of these realationships would work if you think about what Gibbs always said...
And edwardcullen23 Tony is not sad. Especially not in season 5. She died in season 2 (i think). He's nearly the same as he was before Kate died.
Yes,I think it can work.Like dani101 said:"Gibbs after three divorces would know when to compromise and his personality is more similar to Kate's than Tony's is and Gibbs and Kate are more serious although they both have a softer side."
Tony was the one,who had hots for Kate-she liked him,but more like a brother than like a potential lover. Kate didn't take an interest in Tony's love/personal life/-he was the one,who insist to tell her.Tony had feelings for her,but she grew up with few older brothers-the way she acted around Tony is the same towards her brothers,who are 'practically psychotic'./"Forced Entry"/Yes,I do think Tony had a crush on her-his feelings were like a school boy,who pull а pigtales of the girl he likes only to catch her attention,althought he knows he doesn't have a chance to be with her.Kate needed a man in her life-not a boy,and his childish attitude made her to look at him like she looks at her brothers,not like her eventual lover.
Tony and Kate were like brother and sister. I couldn't see them together!!!! :D
Excuse me,do we watch the same show?!How you can say Gibbs will never find love?!It's heartless!Every woman and every man need to love and to be loved-why you deny that right to Gibbs?!I agree with dani that Gibbs after three divorces would know when to compromise and his personality is more similar to Kate's than Tony's is and Gibbs and Kate are more serious although they both have a softer side.
In case you didn't notice we live in 21 centure-there is nothing wrong in a realtionship between older man and younger woman-easpecially if this woman is a lot more mature than her childish co-workrs.And i supose to ask your boss about his personal life,like Kate did,is something,which is normal for a Boss/subordinate?i don't have tha kind of relationship with my Boss-he never ask me if he is atractive to a woman,or invade my personal space,like Gibbs did to Kate.
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@ncis_mileycyrus,not liking the pairing doesn't give you a permission to be disrespectfull to others POV-please,in the future don't use "eeeew"in your posts here-if you didn't saw anything between them,there is always a polite way to say it.Thanks.
That's why I always say that children should not have Internet-ncis_mileycyrus ,167 people voted -most of them for Gibbs and Kate-don't you think we are mature enough to see the tension between Kate and Gibbs,EVEN if you don't see it?!
and tony and kate, NEVER EVER EVER EVER. and kate and gibbs NEVER EVER EVER EVER. but i had to pick one.
I am convinced, if Kate didn't die, they will fall in love in next seasons.
Kate and Gibbs?!!? Are you mad? They haven't similar character. Kate and Gibbs were more serious than Kate and Tony because, Gibbs was Kate's boss. She couldn't said same things to Gibbs, which said to Tony. So that's the reason, why was their relationship only working.
I agree with ncis_mileycyrus, their relationship was like father/daughter or employer/employee.
Cuddy - yes, most people voted for Kate and Gibbs, but from reason, which I wrote in the beginning of my report and I think, you voted same.
And finally, can you remember on this short scene from epizode Caught On Tape? I tell you:
Kate: Would you say I'm attractive?
Tony: Sure. ...
It's evident, no doubt.
(Please, apologize my English, I am a foreigner).
Ducky03,Kate acted to Tony like he was one of her brothers-she didn't even think of him like a lover.Tony was the one,who had hots for her-she ALWAYS rejected his advances,if you remeber correctly-'there is not enough liqueur on the planet,Tony",remember?And she was comfortable with Tony,because she see him like a brother-GIBBS was the one,who was able to make her stumble over her words and get flushed when talking about certain things-Tony NEVER had that affect on her-women stumble when they talk wit the person they are in love-Kate never stumble,when she taklked with Tony.
Reasons I Know Kate and Gibbs Loved Each Other
1. He said please to her when asking to join her on AFO. The only other person he said please to was Jen.
2. He revised his convictions only once and apologised to her - in one of the most heartbreaking scenes I've ever witnessed.
3. He bought her coffee and she didn't object.
4. He shared her coffee and she didn't object. She objected when Tony shared her food or drinks however.
5. He allowed her to call him a bastard twice - to his face no less.
6. He knew things no one else did, besides maybe Abby - e.g. her shoe size.
7. He dreamt about her.
8. She dreamt about him.
9. He opened up to her about his marriages - he didn't complain when she questioned him about his ex wives.Kate NEVER took an interest in Tony's personal life-Tony was the one,who insisted to tell her.
10. She advised him he needed glasses and he got them.
11. He only offered his chewing gum to her - twice.
12. He laughed and joked with her.
13. She didn't get offended with some of his remarks the way she did with Tony.
14. She didn't call him immature or get offended when he asked if she was going to try on the bikini Tony bought her-she always calls Tony immature,if he says such things.
15. He threatened to stick his foot up Tony's ass for making a remark aboout Kate.
16. Besides Ducky, Kate was the only person he never head slapped. Abby received it once.
17. He was the only one able to make her stumble over her words and get flushed when talking about certain things.
18. She allowed him, with only minor upset, to chain her up.
19. He always hovered close in her personal space and she responded in a similar way.
20. She asked once if he'd ever bought flowers and he said no. He bought flowers, red roses, to place on the rooftop.
21. He always silently watched her when he was at his desk, usually at the end of a case or similar
No,I don't think so-I thik we are in good psychological state.Obviously,most of people here don't agree with you,Ducky03-like someone here said,"i supose to ask your boss about his personal life,like Kate did,is something,which is normal for a Boss/subordinate?i don't have tha kind of relationship with my Boss-he never ask me if he is atractive to a woman,or invade my personal space,like Gibbs did to Kate."Watch S1&2 and see all the looks at an-explicit flirting:the looks exchanges, a smile, a little touch,the complicity,the staring-there have been hundreds of intense looks between Gibbs and Kate. That's what DPB did with Harm and Mac for years - lots of stares....Based on their interaction in "Yankee White", I don't think Gibbs feelings toward Kate were anything close to fatherly. After all, she's definitely a strong-willed woman,something I imagine all his women have been.I think Kate and Gibbs saw something in each other when they first met on Air Force One.After he hired her, her admiration for him grew. It's clear she tried to impress him with her investigative skills .It's visible that Kate feels an attraction to Gibbs .He may feel something, too, but I think he'd be better at hiding - or ignoring - it. She would try to hide it, but find herself staring, or sketching, or something. how Gibbs would handle Kate's attraction - I think probably the same way Grissom in CSI handle's Sara's fancy for him - trying to pretend its not there, and that he doesnt feel the same due to some silly belief that the work is more important. Before Kate died, I saw a lot of subtext with her and Gibbs. I could see a women like Kate catching Gibbs and keeping him. And Kate can learn from him through not only the job, but life.They make each other 'whole' in some way.Kate is perfect for Gibbs because she breaks the mold. I think that she's fascinated by him and I think that he's equally fascinated by her.Who else could call Gibbs a 'gloomy gus' and get away with it? Who could spill his coffee/"Sub Rosa"/ and still get what she wants?This ship had the potential to be perfect, but it didn't happen. I think neither of them wanted to give into their hearts.Both Kate and Gibbs were understandably wary of coworker relationships Gibbs had his problems with Jen/his partner and ex-lover/; Kate had her thing with Major Kerry/her college and lover/. Neither was about to make a move, especially within only two years of knowing one another. Gibbs' true feelings about Kate are known only to him and Kate's caricature of Gibbs remains a mystery. Kate respected Gibbs more than she did Tony, though, and possibly he respected her more than Tony did.I think Gibbs/Kate relationship is a lot more deep and meaningful than Kate and Tony's flirting.
Ducky03,with all due respect,you don't know me THAT well to assume if Tony and Ziva blinded my judgement-your statement is a clear speculation.If you noticed-which you obviously didn't-some people,who like Tony and Ziva voted for Tony and Kate-so your speculation is not valid.
Ducky03-we are a GROWN PEOPLE-our judgement is not blinded because we like Tony and Ziva-if you failed to notice,most of the post here are well-founded-where in the most posts here you saw something about Tony and Ziva?Almost all of them are about Tony,Gibbs and Kate-not Tony and Ziva,so please,don't assume we pick Gibbs and Kate based on the fact we see Tony and Ziva together.See the other threads about favorite couples-on the most of them Tony and Ziva are on te first place,but GIBBS AND KATE are on the second place on almost all of them.It's OBVIOUS people see Kate and Gibbs and Tony and Ziva as a couple-even if you don't see them.
Don't you think that "ewww" sound a little harsh for people,who happen to have an opinion,different than yours?And don't forget that rules are made to be broken.:)
And If Kate and still Alive then Tony and Kate were ment to get together ;)
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/House,MD/!:)
It's a pity that Kate didn't play in next season, because I'm convinced my words would become true.
Opinions on your reasons:
1 Yes, he said please to her because it was the only chance to get to AFO. Did you see his face when he was telling it?
2. Of course, he apologized her because he accused her of death major Kerry and also she is a woman. Gibbs has revence to a woman (Kate, Abby). He would never apologize to Tony and Timothy.
3.OK, but it is normal, isn't it? He was buying coffee to Abby almost in every epizodes.
4.I think, it is not truth. When he drank from her coffee, she wanted object, but she didn't know what to say him(she had angry gesture on face).
7.Yes, but in his dream, she lied dead in autopsy room. I can't see anything romantic in this dream, only a nightmare.
8.Similar case. He was killed by Ari in her dream, also nothing romantic.
9.Tony told her about his personal life before, she could ask.
10. Do you think epizode, where she told him need a glasses and after that cottage exploaded? But in this epizode he didn't buy it. I don't know about other example.
12.Only sometimes. Besides Yankee White, there were only few scenes, where they were talking and laughing. However, she was talking or laughing with Tony much more time and she played with Tony in much more scenes like with Gibbs.
14. Really? She told him "pig", when he said her to try on bikini.
18. Yes, because she suggested him to chain yourself. It annoyed him, so he chained her.
19. It isn't distinct. I have never had same feeling.
20.No, he never saw her at the end of cases. I know it surely.
Reasons, which says Kate and Gibbs didn't love each other:
1.She said him "bastard" twice.
2.She lied on sofa, when suddenly somebody phoned her. Gibbs asked her if he can answer the phone. She answered him bumptiously: "I have to be dead."
3.He accused her from murder of Mayor Kerry (he finally apologized her, but...)
4.Sometimes, when Kate said him something abusive, he looked very strictly at her.
5.He forced her to travel by tow truck from crime scene, Kate hated it.
6.He told her she dissapointed him when she didn't do a work as she did once.
7. She told him "pig", when he asked to try on bikini.
8.They had small quarell about case once.
9. He always cradled before she finished talking. She hated it.
10. He has never invited her to restaurant, Tony has invited her.
11. One of his rules is - "Never date a co-worker" and he would never break the rules.
12.He walked together with some red-hair woman, who sometimes pick him up after case or she brought him glasses.
13.His three ex wives were red-haired, Kate wasn't.
14.She said Tony to be careful, because if he(Tony)died, she had to work with Gibbs alone.
Gibbs was behaving to Kate differently like to Tony and Timothy because he has reverence to women. He called Abby as Abbs, he was buying coffee her, even he kissed her on cheek once or twice.But I have never had feeling that he loved Abby. It was similar with Kate too(but with other examples).
Reasons I know Tony and Kate loved each other:
1.He asked her as first if she is all right after explosion on the ship.
2.She saw Tony naked and she WINKED at him MISTERIOUSLY.
3.She asked her if she is hungry and HE OFFERED HER A SANDWICH.
4.HE INVITED HER TO A RESTAURANT.
5.She stood up for Tony when Gibbs almost caught him as he played computer game.
6.They were often talking about much things, often about INTIMITY.
7.She gave him new cap, when he shooted his old one.
8.Almost all epizodes were started with them (after credit title).
9.He was interested in TYPE of her UNDERWEAR.
10.He knew every details about her, and she knew every details about him.
11.He bought her a big bunch of flowers.
12.He saw her almost naked when she was having a shower.
13.She was worried about him, when he escaped with criminal.
14.She asked him, if she seems sexy.
15.She ALLOWED him to make her more sexy.
16.She asked him if she seems attractive for him and he answered yes.
17.He suggested her to make hot by pressing their bodies together, Kate hasitated for a moment.
18.He took her to Paraguay instead of McGee.
19.She was CRYING, when he was dying on pestis.
20.She was sad, when he wasn't at work for two weeks.
21.They were talking or laughing at the end of most epizodes.
22.They were supplementing each other perfectly.
This reasons and maybe others say me, Kate and Tony loved each other even if they never kissed. I'm sure, you don't agree with me, but I see them like loving couple - TATE and nobody can change my opinion.
When I look at vote, I see, there are also people who agree with me. For us, Kate's and Tony's fans, exist only TATE, not Kibbs or Tiva.
Only TATE - FOREVER.
1.Kate made Gibbs to re-estimate his opinion about aplogy-he did that ONLY to the women he love-i.e Jen.It's not about Kate beeing a woman-it's about a strong character,who make other strong character to change his mind-and for Gibbs - THAT speaks volumes.
2.Kate called him "bastard"-and he let her-and Kate still was curious about his personal life-like she NEVER did of Tony's.I can't recall a moment,when she trully was interested of his personal life-she always mocked him about that,like she would mock her younger brother.
3.Gibbs dreaming about Kate-and you find NOTHING romantic?I would ask you then why he dreamed about Kate and not about Abyy,then?Or Tony?-Their life could be in danger too,considering Ary-but he dreamed about Kate-because he was AFRAID about her-and that definitely shows affection!Same about Kate-Tony was in danger in "Reviele" too-but in "Twilight ",althought his life can be in danger too,she dreamed about Gibbs-what a coincidence...:)
4.Kate NEVER recieved a reproach from Gibbs.Or headslap.
5.Yes,she called him "pig"-just like she called him" bastard"-he actually liked it,because that shows "she have balls"/YW/-and Gibbs like that in women.She didn't ment he is unmature-she ment he acts like unmature-and that was ONCE-for fun.-She very often said to Tony that he behave like a boy.
6.The same is about the truk,the unfinished job and "cradled before she finished talking"-Kate shows she has balls,but shows that too-it's a contest between 2 strong characters-that is HOT!:)
7."He has never invited her to restaurant, Tony has invited her."
In which ep.?I really can't recall the ep.,where he did that...
8."Gibbs was behaving to Kate differently like to Tony and Timothy because he has reverence to women."
Gibbs actually respected Gibbs-how Gibbs would handle Kate's attraction - I think probably the same way Grissom in CSI handle's Sara's fancy for him - trying to pretend its not there, and that he doesnt feel the same due to some silly belief that the work is more important./like someone here said/
9.About the readheads-do we watch the same show?The show,where Gibbs kissed the BLONDY in "Doppelganger",and Hollis Mann,his ex-girlfiend,was a BLONDY too?
1.He asked her as first if she is all right after explosion on the ship.
Gibbs asked her that too on a few ocasions-in "Conspiracy Theory"
2.She saw Tony naked and she WINKED at him MISTERIOUSLY.
If you watch carefully she lokked AT GIBBS first,and after that she looked at Tony.
3.She asked her if she is hungry and HE OFFERED HER A SANDWICH.
Gibbs offered her piza,in "Missing",if I remember correctly.:)
4.HE INVITED HER TO A RESTAURANT.
BUT Gibbs and Kate went to cafeteria in "Reviele":)
5.She stood up for Tony when Gibbs almost caught him as he played computer game.
She covered him up,like she would cover a brother-not a lover.:)
6.They were often talking about much things, often about INTIMITY.
TONY was the one,who started such conversations-but she didn't have a problem to chat with him-she however,had a problem,when she talked with Gibbs about such things-and I found that to be one of the reasons to see then as a couple-like touzz said,"women stumble when they talk with the person they are in love-Kate never stumble,when she taklked with Tony."
7.She gave him new cap, when he shooted his old one.
Again-she acted like he is a brother-not a lover.:)
8.Almost all epizodes were started with them (after credit title).
That doesn't proove anything-watch S1and you will see ep.,which were started with Gibbs and Kate.
9.He was interested in TYPE of her UNDERWEAR.
And she didn't like it-Tony was the one,who was interested "in TYPE of her UNDERWEAR."-she didn't interested in his.:)
10.He knew every details about her, and she knew every details about him.
Because Tony is easy to read-but for a profiler like Kate is ,Gibbs is a mistery-she was more intereting in his personal life,than Tony's-watch "My Other Left Foot"
11.He bought her a big bunch of flowers.
And she didn't liked the fact how he got the information,right?Again-that gesture speaks of Tony's crush on Kate-not about Kate's on Tony.:)
12.He saw her almost naked when she was having a shower.
Gibbs-on the same ep.-bumped her on the ass,when he said "you are learning":)And tuched a lot more of her in "Weak Link" and YW.:)
13.She was worried about him, when he escaped with criminal.
Like she would worried about her partner.She was worried about Gibbs state too in some ep.-watch "Marine Down"-she wasshoked,when she saw him hurt.:)
14.She asked him, if she seems sexy.
Because she looked at him like a friend-if she had a crush on him,she never would ask that question-that's why she never asked that Gibbs.:)
15.She ALLOWED him to make her more sexy.
And she listened to GIBBS about her outfit-again-I wouldn't go to a person I have a crush on,to ask him to make me more sexy.:)
16.She asked him if she seems attractive for him and he answered yes.
same as #14&15
17.He suggested her to make hot by pressing their bodies together, Kate hasitated for a moment.
And said"there is not enough liquour on the planet,Tony"right?:)
18.He took her to Paraguay instead of McGee.
HE took her-HE wasthe one,who made that-NOT Kate.
19.She was CRYING, when he was dying on pestis.
A friend of mine died from cancer-I didn't leave him to the end-is that means I'm in love with him?No.She did what every human beeing would do-she stay with the person she cared.
20.She was sad, when he wasn't at work for two weeks.
So was McGee.:)Again-that shows caring affection-but not love.
21.They were talking or laughing at the end of most epizodes.
Just like Gibbs and Kate.:)
22.They were supplementing each other perfectly.
Gibbs and Kate supplemented each other perfectly too.:)
See?There is ALWAYS other way to see things,so I'll repeat-this is a pool which is based on opinions-I found to be very awful if someone make the other to change his/hers POV-this is not a pool about that.If you like Kate and Tony-it's OK with me-just give us credit that we have our reasons to like Gibbs and Kate like a couple.:)
"I have never had feeling that he loved Abby. It was similar with Kate too(but with other examples)."
Gibbs and Abby don't flir?!I'm not a Gabby shipper,but I really can't agree with that:
Gibbs asked her if the smell turn Abby on in "Minimum Security"-Minimum Security. Gibbs tells Abby that the women he dates think the smell of sawdust is sexy. Later when talking about porn -evidence- he asks her if there's anything good. "Nothing with sawdust yet." - Kill Ari 1. Tim is checking out Abby's behind, Gibbs arrives, looks at it approvingly, then glares at Tim for daring to look at her. -Mind Games. Abby jokes about being pregnant with his kids. After declaring that part a joke she explains that his hair is so hot it gets her "all tingly inside". -Escaped. "I can feel your badge. That is your badge, right?" -Dead and Unburied. Abby asks Gibbs what kind of underwear he's wearing. Going over several possibilities, then asking him if he wears underwear at all. -Witch Hunt. He rather bluntly checks her out, they smile at each other. - "There's more if you're interested, Mr. President." (She's wearing a Marilyn Monroe outfit. Enjoy looking up the reference to what M.M. and President Kennedy are said to have shared.) I don't have that kinfd of conversations with my father.
Ducky03,in the future,when you post,PLEASE,with all due respect and without offence,read the posts before yours-you can find the answers of some of your statements on some of the previous posts.Thanks.:)
Yes,I saw and she actually LOVED the way he acted before that-and because of that she decided to show show she can be tough-she said him"no weapons"-and he liked the fact she tryed to play him.:)
2. Of course, he apologized her because he accused her of death major Kerry and also she is a woman. Gibbs has revence to a woman (Kate, Abby). He would never apologize to Tony and Timothy.
Gibbs apologized AT THE END OF "KILL ARI II"too.Do you think he did that for every friend,who died in the line of duty?
3.OK, but it is normal, isn't it? He was buying coffee to Abby almost in every epizodes.
He didn't buy cofee-he buy Caf!Pow to Abby.Gibbs never bought cofee to Tony-he bought cofee to McGee once or 2 times.And if Gibbs brought me cofee,that either means he want a favour,or he really is attach to me.
4.I think, it is not truth. When he drank from her coffee, she wanted object, but she didn't know what to say him(she had angry gesture on face).
Yes,she didn't liked it-but she didn't object too-she even mocked him for that"Gibbs:I'm going...Kate:For Cofee?"
7.Yes, but in his dream, she lied dead in autopsy room. I can't see anything romantic in this dream, only a nightmare.
I agree with ARRIVA on that one.
8.Similar case. He was killed by Ari in her dream, also nothing romantic.
Also agree with ARRIVA on that one.There are not coincidence.
9.Tony told her about his personal life before, she could ask.
In "The Truth is Out There" Kate said herlelf that TONY was the one,who shared his personal life wiht her:KATE: I’m sorry, um… you give me every single detail about your dates. You leave out nothing. TONY: That’s bragging. Money’s personal."
10. Do you think epizode, where she told him need a glasses and after that cottage exploaded? But in this epizode he didn't buy it. I don't know about other example.
Don't you remeber readheaded woman dropped off his glasses in "UnSEALed"?
(DOOR OPENS)
MCGEE: Who’s that?
TONY: That’s a good question. Ask him.
GIBBS: She dropped off my glasses.
MCGEE: Boss?
GIBBS: Yeah, McGee?
MCGEE: It was really nice working with you again.
GIBBS: Same here, McGee.
MCGEE: Oh, by the way, there’s something that Tony and Kate have been meaning to ask you.
Remember now? He have to bought the glasses at somepoint in S1,because we never saw him use it,before Kate to tell him he needed them.Remember how he reacted to Tony,when Tony mocked him about the eyes/age in "The Curse"?He shot his famous "Gibbs stare"-and continue not to wear glasses.And even if he bought them before Kate to say that reply about the glasses,we started to see him wearing them after Kate said the reply-her opinion matter to himShe made him realised he needed them.
12.Only sometimes. Besides Yankee White, there were only few scenes, where they were talking and laughing. However, she was talking or laughing with Tony much more time and she played with Tony in much more scenes like with Gibbs.
BUT her scenes with Gibbs were far more intense-click on the links AMMUSSED posted,and you will see.
14. Really? She told him "pig", when he said her to try on bikini.
Yes-and he liked that-said himself in YW that she "has balls-that shows that she's definitely a strong-willed woman,something -we know now- all his women have been.Calling someone "pig"-and not many people can do that in Gibbs face-doesn't mean she hates or dislikes him-that means she see him the way he accepted and sees himself.
18. Yes, because she suggested him to chain yourself. It annoyed him, so he chained her.
I didn't said it didn't annoy her-but the scene was HOT.And that was partly a payback for Kate's try to trick him to wear the dress-again we have 2 strong characters,which try to play eachother-and I found that to be very hot.
19. It isn't distinct. I have never had same feeling.
But shows she is comfortable when he invades her personal space-Kate is a guarded woman,and stuff like that mean she likes the person,who did that.
20.No, he never saw her at the end of cases. I know it surely.
You mean like a date?I never said that-I ment he observed her-he never did that to Abby,but look at his scenes with Hollis and Jen-he is watching them,when nobody can see him.For a man like Gibbs-a man of few words-that speaks a lot.
I'm sure no one here can say"Tony and Kate don't have chemestry",because I think-and I hope everyone think that way-that they have.I just found their relationship to be more...playful.We never saw some really difficult moments between them-exept mybe SWAK-but I can't agree we saw anything more than caring from both sides in this ep,but there was the same childish behaviour.Tony said it himselfin Twilight"Me and Kate?Never happed.She is too smart for that."Opposite to the Kate and Tony's flirting,I think that Gibbs and Kate's scenes and interaction are much more subtle in comparision to Tony and Kate's scenes and interaction.I prefer more mature relationships,mostly because I like the an-explicit flirting:the looks exchanges, a smile, a little touch,the complicity...and I like also the fact that Gibbs was Kate's mentor, sometimes he's also harsh with her (Heart break),nothing is so clear or evident and,because of that, it's more interesting and more deeper:DBecause "still woters run deep",I personally i think there is more going for a Kate/Gbbs relationship than there is for Kate/Tony.
Just my thoughts.:)
And he liked that-she shoed he have balls-he admired that in her.
2.She lied on sofa, when suddenly somebody phoned her. Gibbs asked her if he can answer the phone. She answered him bumptiously: "I have to be dead."
That" somebody" was her Boss.That DOESN'T mean she dislikes Gibbs-that means it's her duty to answer the phone-he offeres to handle things,because she didn't feel well-but she decided to execute her duty and since this is HER boss calling,it's her duty to answer.
3.He accused her from murder of Mayor Kerry (he finally apologized her, but...)
He did his job-there were suspitions that she could be involved-and that made her to see him like a professional-still a bastard,but and a professional,who will not cloud his judgement,even if he likes her like a woman.
4.Sometimes, when Kate said him something abusive, he looked very strictly at her.
And that is enough-Kate never recieved a slap on the back on the head,and he never made a remark she didn't do her job-Tim and Tony recieved them a lot.What exactly abusive thing she said to him,which was not true?The strict look means-she could've said that in person,not infront the others-the look doesn't mean he dilikes Kate.
5.He forced her to travel by tow truck from crime scene, Kate hated it.
Hate is a pretty strong word-dislike maybe-but still-that DOESN'T mean she dislike Gibbs,because he give her difficult appointments-again we have 2 strong characters-one give annoying or difficult appointments,the other not only shows that dislikes it,but do a great job on them.And that made Gibbs proud of her,and Kate shows that way that she have "balls"-which Gibbs liked in very first ep.
6.He told her she dissapointed him when she didn't do a work as she did once.
She was still a probie-and it WASN'T her fault-her friend decided to tell her Boss about the favour Kate want from her.Kate told him why her friend did it"on her place/her friend/,I'll do the same."Kate HAD a point-Gibbs tryed to make her do something not so good-for him maybe this is something ordinary,but not for Kate,who always go by the book.After tha she changed-she said it herself later:I would never suggest that,before I stared to work here."She always assert her POV-and that was one of the things Gibbs liked in her.:)
7. She told him "pig", when he asked to try on bikini.
Yes-again-that doesn't mean she disliks him-that means he allways himself to act childish in front of her,which is so rare for him-with Hollis he acted the same way.The same with Jen:"Jen:What do you thin,Jethro?Gibbs:Paris".
8.They had small quarell about case once.
They always quarell-and she made him to see her pointand to accept it.Tony,or Tim doesn't-only Abby-but she doesn't quarell with him often-actually,she most of the time disagree.Kate,on the other hand makes Gibbs explain his position-how many people do you think have that effect on Gibbs?
9. He always cradled before she finished talking. She hated it.
Yes-and in the same time find that part of his personality facinating-watch her face in "Hometown Hero",when she said "COLEMAN: He just cut you off? KATE: He does that to everyone."Look at the Coleman's face-she was impressed too.:)
10. He has never invited her to restaurant, Tony has invited her.
Watch "Revielle"-Gibbs and Kate went to cafeteria.And don't orget that the dinner Tony invated Kate wasn't a romantic dinner.
11. One of his rules is - "Never date a co-worker" and he would never break the rules.
Rules are made to be brocken-but I understand Gibbs-both Kate and Gibbs were understandably wary of coworker relationships.Gibbs had his problems with Jen/his partner and ex-lover/; Kate had her thing with Major Kerry/her college and lover/. Neither was about to make a move, especially within only two years of knowing one another.
12.He walked together with some red-hair woman, who sometimes pick him up after case or she brought him glasses.
The readheadd woman wasn't a lover,or a girlfriend.The general assumption seems to be that the redhead is just a friend. Gibbs flirts a lot for a man who has a girlfriend/if you remember the blondy he kissed in "Doppelganger"/, if that is what the redhead is, but he does not seem the type to cheat or be a player.
13.His three ex wives were red-haired, Kate wasn't.
Are we talking about the same Jethro Gibbs,who kissed a BLOND woman in "Doppelganger",and his now ex-girlfriend Hollis Mann was BLOND woman too?He had a things for readheads only because he wanted to restore his relationship with his first wife.He definitely had lovers with heair color,diferent than red.
14.She said Tony to be careful, because if he(Tony)died, she had to work with Gibbs alone.
And she said it not because she is in-love with Tony,but because -lets face it-if 2 people deal with Gibbs bad mood,it will be eaiser for them to work.This is WORK related-it's NOT personal statement.That doesn't meanshe dislike Gibbs-tat means she dislike his moods.
PS:Ducky,if you don't agree with me-or someone else-please,sent him/her a PM-it's easier to comunicate,without to involved all of the people on this spot.I,at last,would greatly appreciate it,if you chose to send me a personal message/PM/.Thanks in advance.:)
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Gibbs took Kate's death really hard NOT only because he felt guilty-he said it himself-"This is different"He feels Kate's death is different to him-he didn't show such reacton to Jen's death like he did to Kate.Did you notice that KATE is the person,who can calm him down?Do you notice that GIBBS is the person Kate was always inetrested for?I think in the years of Kate, Tony was just a little too far out of her league. Gibbs after three divorces would know when to compromise and his personality is more similar to Kate's than Tony's is and Gibbs and Kate are more serious although they both have a softer side.
If you are talking about clips amussed posted,they include Kate/Tony situations,but but they show Gibbs reaction to Kate's remarks-he is amussed with KATE's remarks-he admire HER sense of humour-not Tony's.And THAT is the point of the clips.
"Also, that whole "it's impossible because tony and kate had a brother-sister relationship" theory was shot to oblivian from SWAK-Kill Ari. If you didn't read ANYTHING into that, you're biased."
Not biased-realists - to cry about a friend and to risk her life,when a friend needs support, is natural for a people like Kate-this is one of the things,which are OBVIOUS about her character.
"TONY is the one taking interest."
BUT Kate DOESN'T TAKE interest in Tony-she was allways interested in GIBBS-NOT Tony's personal life,and she was never serious with Tony - her comments to him could be quite hurtful.But i guess you missed that -no offence.
At least, not in the show. For fanfiction, anything goes so they would each work just as well as the other.
I allways wonder how people can see that Tony had hots for Kate-but Kate NEVER had hots for Tony-and we saw that more than once. Actually,there are things,that suggest Kate and Gibbs may have a stronger reltionship-like dg102 pointed out- +DPB said himself that he adde4d the redhead to make Gibbs/Kate atraction not so obvious-which shows that there IS an atraction htere.Their relationship was like more of a tough love one.Gibbs always controlled his emotions – always! We had seen him in situations when not only he himself, but also his team and countless other people had been in mortal peril, their living or dying depending on his decisions, to be made in a split of a second – and he always had appeared unimpressed by the pressure, been cold to the heart. There are only two occasions, when his control and self-discipline had failed: The grief for his dead wife and daughter when he had awoken from the coma after getting hit by the blast of an explosion – and Kate’s death.Even Gibbs himself said that her death feels different to him.This ship had the potential to be perfect, but it didn't happen. Neither of them wanted to give into their hearts.Both Kate and Gibbs were understandably wary of coworker relationships . Gibbs had his problems with Jen/his partner and ex-lover/; Kate had her thing with Major Kerry/her college and lover/. Neither was about to make a move, especially within only two years of knowing one another.
Actually,if you think,for a person like Gibbs,who is not a friend with anyone(in the first 2 seasons) exept Ducky,to have that strong friendly relationship with Kate SHOWS something.There was real warmth between those two characters. There was always some underlying flirting as well, even when they were sniping at each other. The way he smiles at her,the way he talk to her sometimes, the way he invaded her personal space-that behaviour is EXACTLY like the one he had to Hollis-his girlfriend in season 4&5.And exactly that shows that Kate and Gibbs CAN have really strong love relationship-because of the fact they saw each other like a man and woman first,and after that like superior/subordinate.Tony may had "more than friends" attitude,but Kate never showed him he had chance with her-opposite to the behaviour she had with Gibbs-and in general I'm amazed how people always tend to brush away her behaviour towards Tony and to take in mind only Tony's behaviour to her.
What I like about Kate&Gibbs relationship is the word"maybe".If they had a chance to pass throught the barrieres inside of them,I think they could have a great relationship.I'm glad we didn't see it on the screen,because my POV and the writers POV on that ship probably will be different-but the main thing for me is that Gibbs and Kate could have rea ly lovely love relationship-Kate is exactly what Gibbs needs-a woman who won't back down from a fight,woman, who has a brain AND a body,but will not try to push his,when he doesn't have a need to accept/share things,and also won't try to brain him with a baseball bat and/or a nine-iron (as ex-wives numbers two and three attempted)."
That was really rude.the fact you can't understand that kind of relationship doesn't give you an excuse to offend the others,who like it.Grow up before start posting.And watch Yankee white -there you will see K&G HAD chemestry,even if you don't believe that.
This is a fine example why children shoould not post on the sites for grown up people.
Grow up.If you are not able to understand this relationship,that doesn't make it nasty. Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes has 16 years age gap- people don't find their relationship nasty.Get out of that narrow-minded thinking.Even the creator of the show-DPBelisario-said that Kate and Gibbs had chemestry from the very first episode and because of that he added the redhaired woman.Gibbs was not 50 at the beginning of the series-maybe 42-43,but definitely not 50 years old.If at the beginning he was 50,he should be retired long ago this show reach season 8.
daaanq . why are people writinqq like , full paqes about thiss !? xD
anywaays ; ii personally like : Gibbs x Shannon )': <|3
&& Ziva x Tony ;D<3
The reason to start watching this exact show lies in the little things we learn about each character in the first 2 seasons. I like the fact not everything is clear and evident and that's why we have to THINK about it in order to understand the character better-that's why yes,I think most of the vewers,who watch closly the first 2 seasons,can say what's in Kate's,Tony's and Gibbs' mind.THAT is what makes this show soo good for me. The show has only 42-43 minutes to resolve the crime and to develop the characters- that's why every look, smile, touch- everything is important. Gibbs had only 1 scen in the first season with a kid- but from that scene most of the vewers guessed he had a child once- and he had indeed- but we got that in the the 3rd season. Many people,who thought Tony doesn't have feelings for Ziva,change their POV after they saw how he reacted to Ziva in "Recoil"-all that changing from onePOV (Tony-only-tease-Ziva) to completely oposite POV(He has feelings from her) happen because the vewers saw what's in Tony's mind. So,I can say with big confidence that after knowing characters for all those years yes,I KNOW what's going on in their heads.
'So much debate over who's a better couple... seriously? '
for me is not who is a better couple, but with who Kate would be happy.
A-FREAKING-MEN TO THAT!
You can at least learn to spell the words you wanna insult people with.
First,plese excuse me for my English- not my mother langiage.
Like Abby once said " dating older man is a singh of maturity" ,especially if the woman is more mature than her childish co- worker. In one relationship the MATURITY is importand- not the age. Great example for the value of that relationship are one of the gratest romantic books of all time- "The Thorn Birds","Gone With The Wind" and "Jane Eyre". In every one of these books the relationship between the older man/younger woman is very diffucult and romantic- read them, if you have time- I'm sure you will like them.:)
I know most of the viewers prefer Tony /Kate than Gibbs/Kate-they can not understand the attraction of a younger woman for an older man like Gibbs. But these people, who have more experiance, know that attraction doesn't ask to see your ID- there are toooooo many examples for students,who fall in love with their teachers- even Sting wrote a song for that- "Don't Stand So Close To Me". My point here is only to show you that these kind of relationship exist for a long time and there is nothing wrong or gross in it if both the man and the woman are mature enough,even if they have age difference..
"This is not just a site for grown people. It is a site for anyone who wants to post things and talk with people who have the same interests!"
True. Stiil, that doesn't excise the rude behaviour- for example you and I have different opinions, but we never insulted eachother.People can't agree with eachother all the time- but can
say it without to insult others and exactly that is the mature behaviour Lie_to_Me and many others here are talking about. I can't appreciate beeing called rude names from a person,who ,obviously, can't even get into the many shades of the more complecated relationship ,which is K/G and because of that insult people, who have opinion,different that his/hers.
Though Tony did fancy Kate it was obvious they had more of a brother-sister relationship but Tony and Ziva are just made for eachother!
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