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Gay Rights Do you think it's a privilege to cisgendered?
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So yeah, I think cis privilege exists because people who aren't cis have to deal with things that cis people don't.
Bc proof of male privilege goes from rape culture to lack of equality in the workplace. Women live under the perpetual warning that they might get raped if they're walking alone at night and that's something men don't worry about - you don't think that's privilege? Men get paid and promoted more for doing the exact same jobs as women - you don't think that's privilege?????
2. That isn't true. Women get paid more because nowadays women have the college degrees, less men do. It's been debunked several times. If it was true, jobs would be hiring women far more often because less money to pay the workers.
If we're going to talk about society, you have to understand both sides of the story. Men are not in perfect positions. They are constantly told to hide their feelings and to be strong all the time. Men are falling behind in schools because of feminization of schools, not because men are dumb. There's hardly any male role models and too many shows laughing at the abuse of men. This is not a privilege. Men hold far more responsibilities and obligations while women aren't expected to now. We have far more options in birth control, while if a man inpregnates a woman, he's forced to pay child support. There needs to be more options for men.
(As an aside, here's a post I found on from link, which I would also highly recommend browsing. I would have linked to the original post but I found it through tags. It's rape culture from the perspective of a male rape victim:
I get so irritated when people respond to “men don’t fear for their lives when walking on the street” with “men get raped, too”. you know what???? I’m a man, I was raped, and afterwards I was not afraid, especially not for my life, when in public. Any fear I had in public was directly linked to the actions of my rapist (i.e., he grabbed my arm, so if someone else did, voila, I was afraid) and would have scared me in any other instance. The vast majority of male survivors I’ve met are the same way, and even the ones who don’t say they didn’t feel that way beforehand. Yeah, male survivors aren’t a monolith, and I’m in no way trying to write off the fears of some as paranoia. But what people who say “men get raped, too” don’t understand is that there is nobody harassing us on a daily basis, no statistics to prove that the problem men have with rape is the rest of society, no values ingrained into us from childhood saying “you’re going to get raped, prepare for it and deal with it”. When people say “men get raped, too”, they do understand, to some degree, that the only thing they’re trying to do is use our experiences (which they don’t actually care about) to silence female survivors, derail the conversation and ignore the real problem. The fear that male survivors have is inherently different than that of women, survivors or not. We fear the action that has happened, they fear the action that is threatened.)
As far as the jobs thing, I would like to see where you're getting your data from because link still says women make 77 cents to a man's dollar.
And lastly, the same as what I said about rape culture, I understand than men aren't in perfect positions. I understand that there is pressure on them, too. The pressures on men and women are just profoundly different because with men it's just instances of media portrayal and societal expectations that are hard to live up to; with women it's systematic discrimination socially, politically, and economically. I really suggest you browse link because while it is a blog piece, many of its assertions are backed up with evidence.
The amount of sexism here is too damn high. We're done talking. There's no point getting through a feminist. Tired of ignorant hatred.
And sure, maybe that guy's perspective isn't every man's but I included it mainly for the distinction at the end: "[Male rape victims] fear the action that has happened, [women] fear the action that is threatened." Maybe you don't feel that fear, but link Yes, some men are afraid too, but a 28% gender gap is significant. Gallup polls are probably more reliable than that blog post or anyone's firsthand stories.
There's more afraid men than you think. More men are waking up. Feminists are the ones that are telling women to fear men, this is why I don't believe in that crap. Men wish to walk through the streets to not be known as a creep, a pedophile, a rapist, or any danger. They are human beings who feel pain. Ignoring their issues because you believe women suffer more does show you're a man hater. You don't believe they're equal to you, you don't believe their issues are real either. Men are suffering more than women because they suffer alone.
As far as "you don't understand their pain" - I don't think you fully do, either. I mean according to your profile you're female, same as I am, so neither of us can fully 100% understand, but I swear I do honestly try to see things from their perspectives. I do consider the societal pressures on them, okay? But as I said before, the pressures are just different. Now as far as your other points...
"Men do not ignore women's issue. It's spoken all the time." ...So how about stuff like the Wendy Davis case, with men actively arguing against feminism? How about the fact that it seems like it's overwhelmingly men debating abortion issues? Sure, they're talking about women's issues, but they're arguing against feminism and that's probably worse.
"Feminists are the ones that are telling women to fear men." No, the OPPOSITE. Feminism is about equal rights, plain and simple. Feminism is about equality between the sexes and women being proud and strong individuals. I've never heard of feminism being about fearing men, though admittedly there are some radical feminists who hate men but I don't associate with them and neither does the majority of the feminist movement. It's not about hating men, it's about wanting the same societal respect they have. I'm really sorry feminism seems so horrible to you and I hope you can see that we just want equality.
"Men wish to walk through the streets to not be known as a creep, a pedophile, a rapist, or any danger." Okay, sure, lots of men want that, I agree. But the reason they have to think that way is because society has painted men as dangerous rapists. This works against both men and women - men because they don't want to come across that way, women because it teaches them to be constantly afraid of rapists and attackers. Men have to fear how they're perceived; women have to fear for their safety because definitely the vast majority of men are not dangerous but enough are that it's ingrained in society that fear of that minority is necessary.
"You don't believe they're equal to you, you don't believe their issues are real either." I know I've said it already, but just to say it again, I recognize their issues as real and I recognize men as a gender as equal to women. I have literally nothing against them, just the system. It's really an important difference.
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